End of an Era: NFA Registered Glock

| December 11, 2015 | 15 Comments

It’s official — I’ve sold my Glock enclosures and mailed a letter to the ATF stating that I want to remove my Glock from the NFA’s SBR registry.

Some of the most popular content on this blog was related to my NFA registered Glock 19 and the KPOS, RONI, and Hera Triarii enclosures I tested. I registered my Glock 19 because I wanted a short, stocked firearm that took Glock magazines.

Thousands of dollars (tax stamp, enclosures, test ammunition, etc) and a few years later, I have given up on the idea of a “stocked Glock.”

I cite the following reasons, in order:

  1. Reliability. Many of my readers have shared stories of similar malfunctions, but some have also reported consistent success. I believe (but cannot verify, due to the restrictive nature of the NFA) that the Gen 4 Glock 19 is not suitable for use in enclosures. Gen 3 G19s, Glock 17s, and Glocks in .40 S&W all seemed more reliable. Your mileage may vary, but I didn’t want to buy a G17 and go through the registration process (and cost) again to verify this.
  2. There are better designed options out there. The MasterPiece Arms MPA30DMG and the MPA930DMG, which are MAC-10 form factor firearms that accept Glock magazines (watch our interview). The Aero Survival Pistol made by TNW Firearms (watch our interview) is also an option. There are also many, many more companies making AR15s that accept Glock magazines, including the Angstadt Arms UDP-9 that I like so much (watch our interview).
  3. Add-on stocks and the RONI and Triarii enclosures extend the overall length of the Glock to be equal to or larger than the options cited above. The ENDO stock is seeing a resurgence with a pistol brace on it, but that’s for another article. Regardless, there are more portable options out there.
  4. The cost is too high, given the more reliable (and sometimes shorter) options out there. My KPOS build was $1400, compared to about $900 for a DMG build. The RONI is the least expensive enclosure, but also the one I have the least confidence in.
  5. Customer support. You’re basically on your own if you have a problem. I didn’t have a good experience dealing with the Mako Group or Command Arms, importers of the KPOS and RONI respectively. The company that sells the Hera Triarii in the United States offered one to me on an evaluation basis but then refused to accept it because it had been used. I wound up paying full price. Then there’s the whole “Airsoft-or-not” issue with my first RONI purchased from Arms Unlimited, who was absolutely no help in answering my questions or resolving my issue. I wound up sending that unit back to Command Arms, who never returned it to me.

Today I sent a letter to the ATF notifying them to remove the Glock 19 from their NFA registry. I’ve sold all of my enclosures, reclaiming a fraction of my testing and evaluation costs. I plan on keeping the Glock 19.

It was a good lesson to learn, and my experience has helped people make a more educated decision.

About the Author:

Short Barrel Shepherd Short Barrel Shepherd is a regular guy and works to make Web sites and mobile apps easier for people to use. He spends his free time attending fight-focused firearm, knife, and combatives training, motorcycling, writing, and playing games. His daily carry is a Glock 19 pistol and an AR15 .300 Blackout pistol in a backpack.
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15 Comments on "End of an Era: NFA Registered Glock"

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  1. Pachucko says:

    What do you think about the Uzi Pro?

    • Short Barrel Shepherd Short Barrel Shepherd says:

      Expensive, heavier than it should be, and uses proprietary magazines. These all add up to my interest in other firearms for the same role.

  2. J.C. says:

    Your reviews of the enclosures made me realearn somethings: First,you can only go so far when you make something do what it was not desined to do. Second, even somebody elses exerience is better than just theory.

    Apreciatively,
    J.C.

  3. Bill says:

    What are your thoughts on a non-enclosed system, like the GLR-440 Shoulder Stock for Glock 17? This could be removed, kept in a back pack (very light weight), and attached to your CCW IF necessary. Would this be a good option?

    • Short Barrel Shepherd Short Barrel Shepherd says:

      We tested the ENDO stock and didn’t care for it. This was with a pistol with standard-height, but aftermarket iron sights. I think an RMR-equipped pistol plus a stock would be interesting.

      I know that a certain training organization that I respect is experimenting with full-frame Glocks with an RMR, the ENDO stock adapter, and a pistol brace — but since I don’t have a G17 I’m not interested in pursuing it.

      Worth investigating, for sure!

  4. B R Kurtz B R Kurtz says:

    INTERESTING decision. For all the $$$ youve spent why not just keep the pistol as a NFA item “in case” something new should arise and just buy another pistol for interstate use? Personally I do think a G17 or G34 is better for the concept, than a G19 and ultimately a G35 in 357SIG.

    Im not a fan of the enclosures for all the reasons you mentioned; but I still keep hoping for a good stock or even better a “NON Stock” Stock (one that is held on only by hand pressure and thus NOT an attached stock) meaning NO NFA ISSUES. My personal choice for something not yet built would be a modern version of a BroomHandle stock perhaps made from something like a AK buttstock that “could” be used as a holster but more for storage (packable package).

    Bro you published A LOT of good data and I bet you had some fun in the process. Its NOT a failure. It IS a learning experience that youve shared with anyone willing to listen. THANKS

    • Short Barrel Shepherd Short Barrel Shepherd says:

      #1 reason was, like you, I do not think the G19 is the best platform for any type of enclosure or stock system. The ENDO, for example, does not fit a G19. Mako makes a stock for the G19 supposedly, but I’ve never seen it. These items are available for full-sized Glocks.

      Second reason is that I have other projects I’d like to fund.

      We’ll see.

  5. Chris says:

    I now have two hera triarri enclosures for both a glock 21 / glock 20 and also a glock 35 / 34. I will never sell those glocks, and thus the enclosures make a hell of a fun accessory to them. Truly one of my favorite projects amongst mp5s, scorpion evo, kriss vector, mpa930dmg, sig mpx…. the hera triarri is as expensive as a glock, but is very robust and awesome as well.

    Your original analysis put me over the top on the first one, so I am grateful for educating me on it. Thanks.

    I also have a mpa930dmg in grim reaper color thanks to you too.

    Have fun on the next project, I will be watching…. thanks

  6. Dave says:

    I just received a Roni G2-10 to use with a Glock 21 Gen4. It came straight from CAA via my dealer. It had plastic rails on the side and said 9mm/0.40 on one side and PN GB2475136 on the other side. The Glock 21 won’t fit in it…I’m guessing it’s the wrong Roni. But with the plastic rails, it may also be airsoft Would CAA send out an airsoft version by mistake? After reading your review, it makes me wonder.

    • Short Barrel Shepherd Short Barrel Shepherd says:

      Hi there! I’m sorry to read about your troubles. Unfortunately we were never to get any consistent, reliable information on the “real steel” version of the RONI vs the Airsoft one. Some claim that the presence of polymer rails means an Airsoft model; others claim that unless AIRSOFT is on the side it’s for real firearms.

      It’s possible that CAA could send you both the wrong frame size and an Airsoft version, but that seems double-crazy.

      I presume you’re going to send it back — please update us once you get your replacement.

  7. mike says:

    Can you tell me why the GLR 440 from Fab Defense/Mako will not fit the GEN 4 Glocks

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