Force on Force Scenario : 2 on 1 Bar Takeovers

| January 18, 2016 | 1 Comments

Last Saturday we attended force on force scenario based training offered by QSI Training. It was the first FoF class of 2016, and I learned a lot and had a great time.

Class Overview

This is an extremely brief description of the course.

  • 12 students, 10 male, 2 female
  • Students had varying levels of experience with firearms, other tools, and fight focused training.
  • Students used Airsoft replicas of their carry weapons. I also had the safety trainer version of my Clinch Pick.
  • Conducted at the SCALE training facility, which was a former health sanitarium turned tactical training facility by the state of Minnesota. The facility has a mock apartment complex, jail, convenience store, courthouse, and bar.
  • Students who participated as “actors” in each scenario were given varying specific direction by the instructors. Sometimes we were told we had no weapons and how to react, other times we were given weapons and little guidelines.
  • The focused of each scenario was given limited direction, such as “go down this hall with a bag of groceries,” or “use this cash to buy this list of things at this store.”
  • Elements were changed if students repeated the same scenario. No one did the same scenario in the same location with the same situation with the same number of other actors. Something was always different.
  • Most scenarios had multiple paths to resolution. Many students could resolve situations without getting involved, or without firing a shot. One students didn’t fire a round all day – except when role playing an aggressor.
  • There was an after action review after every scenario. The QSI instructors explained the scenario, what was done well, what needed improvement, what could be done differently, and any historical context behind the scenario.

The Scenario

Two men planned on an armed takeover robbery of a bar. One was armed with a MAC 10 (irony) and the other had a handgun. The plan was to line up all the students and search them one by one by one. Anyone who resisted was to be dealt with.


The situation quickly became chaotic. People moved in different directions and made a lot of noise.

I decided to act immediately. In other situations I may allow the robbery to unfold, but with two attackers and the MAC10 I did not want to lose my window of opportunity.

I have used others as a screen before. This was the first time I used multiple people, and against multiple attackers.

Neither aggressor saw me, the draw, or my weapon until it was too late. The student with the MAC10 stated that he only became aware of my weapon after I fired. The student with the handgun couldn’t see me or my weapon until after the shooting started.

I put two shots on the student with the MAC10 first. I own an SBR MAC10 and I know how accurate it can be, and how easy follow up shots are. I considered it a much greater threat than the handgun.

I shot the student with the handgun four times, and was shot in the hand once. Again, the angle I chose made it difficult for him to see me and to counter attack.

I reacted too quickly to mock the effects of being hit. I shot the MAC 10 student again and then checked the room for additional attackers.

Dealing with unknown contacts before an encounter is rarely taught, and post shooting procedures even less so. I had to manage a student who attempted to cling to me for help, and I had to make sure no one else was an aggressor.

Next time I would like to be able to practice more of my post shooting procedure, such as trauma care, and responding to police officers.

This was a great class, and I believe every student serious about fight focused training should spend a significant amount of their time doing force on force scenarios.

About the Author:

Short Barrel Shepherd Short Barrel Shepherd is a regular guy and works to make Web sites and mobile apps easier for people to use. He spends his free time attending fight-focused firearm, knife, and combatives training, motorcycling, writing, and playing games. His daily carry is a Glock 19 pistol and an AR15 .300 Blackout pistol in a backpack.

1 Comment on "Force on Force Scenario : 2 on 1 Bar Takeovers"

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  1. van der lin says:

    good job. Keep it up.

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