One Handed Manipulations with an RMR Equipped Glock 19

| April 13, 2015 | 12 Comments

Last Saturday The She Shepherd and I attended the Advanced Pistol Course from QSI Training.

There was a fair amount of one handed work in this class:

  • transition from shooting with two hands to shooting with one hand
  • transition from one hand to the other hand
  • reload with one hand
  • clear simple and extended stoppages with one hand

I have taken this course before, but it was the first time I took it with my RMR equipped Glock 19.

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Shooting an RMR equipped pistol takes some adjustment, especially if you’ve done a lot of shooting with fixed sights. I wrote about this last training season, and I feel like I’ve finally started to use the RMR naturally. In general, I find my first shot with the RMR is slower than when I used fixed sights, but my follow up shots are faster. I also believe that the RMR is superior when shooting one handed.

Here’s a video of some of the one handed manipulation techniques covered in class.

The RMR definitely makes it easier to shoot one handed, but its real advantage is in one handed manipulations.

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Racking the slide one handed has always been a challenge for me. The technique is to squeeze the slide in between the back of the thigh and the calf, and then push the pistol forward. This definitely works, but it is easier on pistols with higher, more squared off sights. The TruGLO Trijicon TFO sights I used to run were wonderful in daylight and low light conditions, but they were rounded and low profile.

The RMR makes charging the pistol a breeze. You may have noticed that I used the sight on my heel in the last drill in the video. The first R in RMR stands for “ruggedized,” and that is absolutely true.

I will do a separate video on technique now that I am confident in the RMR’s ability to assist in one handed reloads and malfunction clearances.

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Going with an RMR is an expensive journey. By the time I purchased a milled slide, suppressor sights, the optic, and a new holster I could have almost purchased two new Glocks. However, the RMR makes it much easier to operate the pistol under adverse conditions, and one handed shooting is also much easier. The RMR has a reputation for extreme durability, and I used this to my advantage when doing one handed reloads and malfunction clearances.

I am pleased with how I performed with the RMR during class. I still have some work to do, especially in regards to making the first shot. I attribute this to my confidence in finding the dot — I see the red dot more quickly now, but due to my earlier troubles I have problems believing that I see it — perceiving it. This is something I see a lot in my day job, and it’s weird to apply it to myself.

About the Author:

Short Barrel Shepherd Short Barrel Shepherd is a regular guy and works to make Web sites and mobile apps easier for people to use. He spends his free time attending fight-focused firearm, knife, and combatives training, motorcycling, writing, and playing games. His daily carry is a Glock 19 pistol and an AR15 .300 Blackout pistol in a backpack.
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  1. JG says:

    Do you have specifics for $? I know the RMR is going to be around $550, but it’s the other little things I’m unsure about. Im considering going down this road, but I don’t really know if there are other, similar options.

    Also, you seem like a tall guy with large-ish hands. How do you feel about the glock 19 as compared to the 17? I find the 17 to be far more comfortable, but I’m sure you had reasons for choosing 19.

    Sorry about all the questions, but im too curious not to ask.

    • Short Barrel Shepherd Short Barrel Shepherd says:

      Hi there! No problem with the questions, I don’t mind at all.

      The RMR RM07 (which I recommend) is $700 MSRP but can be found for as low as $480 if you time it right on Amazon.com (use camelcamelcamel.com to track prices).

      A pre-milled slide with all internals is what I recommend instead of sending your slide off to be milled. This way you can go back to standard sights if the RMR isn’t for you, and it will also be faster (expect 4 – 6 weeks for milling to be done). The slide will typically run you about $360 with the cost going up if you want a barrel, suppressor sights, etc.

      I’d budget $950 for the slide and optic. You may want to shop the used market, used Glocks with RMRs can be had for about $1000 – 1200 depending on the RMR attached (the RMR RM02 is also very popular).

      I find that I shoot better with the G17 and G26 but the G17’s grip is much too long for the t-shirt concealment I like during warmer months. Some have done the grip reduction, but I find the G19 more concealable right out of the box. The G26 is of course the most concealable of the trio, but I find the grip to be borderline too short.

  2. kyle says:

    One major “unseen” benefit imo is the ability to use the rmr as a manipulation point. Its easy to catch it on almost anything.

    I am happy with my rmr also. I have beat it up pretty good and its still going strong. I didn’t use it as a hammer during a roof install, but no kids gloves either. If its going to give up the ghost on me, I want it to happen at a time of my choosing.

    One question, that I cant really test myself. Any issues in cold weather? I don’t mean the electronics, I would expect them to be fine. I mean like fogging from being on your warm body then cold air.

  3. JeremyJ says:

    Darn…from the title I thought is was going to be one of your “That’s What She Said” posts. Anyway, you have me thinking about adding an RMR sight to my Glock 17 whereas I previously thought there was no real benefit in my situation.

  4. Steve says:

    Almost a year later, what do you think? I am looking at a RMR, so your recommendations would be appreciated:
    * For a carry gun, the 6.5 dot the way to go?
    * RMR 07 over the RMR 02? Did you find a solution to the RMR 07 changing brightness or turning off on you through the holster?
    * Holster recommendation?
    * Dual Illumination offer any worthwhile advantage in low light?

    Thanks Shepherd!

    • Short Barrel Shepherd Short Barrel Shepherd says:

      Hi there! Thanks for commenting.

      I would be interested in trying a smaller dot. I think the 6.5 MOA is really good for up close (40 feet or less) shooting, but once I started shooting at 40 YARDS and over the dot completely covers the 1/2-sized torso targets we use.

      That being said, going with the smaller dot may make shorter ranged shots more difficult. I haven’t tried it.

      I fixed the unintentional brightness change problem by getting rid of that holster and using the excellent Q-Series Stealth holster (which is now the only holster I use).

      I don’t usually spend a ton of money on optics, so I figured that the RMR RM07 would be my exception. I think the dual illuminated sights have an advantage due to price, and not needing a battery. I wasn’t concerned about either, so the DI didn’t appeal to me.

      Gabe Suarez from Suarez International has some thoughts if you’re considering a DI RMR : http://blog.suarezinternational.com/2016/01/optimizing-the-dual-illuminated-rmr.html

  5. Steve says:

    I did note and appreciated your recommendation in an earlier RMR review that in mounting a RMR, one should get Trijicon’s special Glock mounting kit (Trijicon’s Part # AC32064, $20) which includes a sealing plate to seal the open underside of an RMR and shorter screws because the standard screws that come standard with the RMR are longer and interfere with the operation of the slide.

    Speaking of Glock, if I am setting up the RMR on a new Glock, any downside to just buying Glock configured in their MOS, already machined to accept an RMR vs. going the Suarez route?

    • Short Barrel Shepherd Short Barrel Shepherd says:

      I would recommend going with Suarez International or another third-party company (I have no personal experience with other vendors, but many are doing it). I do believe the MOS adapter plate causes the RMR (or other site) to sit higher than normal, which in turn may effect co-witnessing even with taller suppressor sights.

    • CR Williams says:

      There are reports that the RMR screws aren’t long enough to seat properly in the MOS plates. Also reported (unconfirmed) issues resulting from Glock setting it up to run any of three different RD systems.

      If you’re going to invest, I would recommend the investment of the extra money for a purpose-built system. This is something you might need to save a life with some day. So far, the retail solutions don’t come up to grade with that kind of application in my view.

      • Steve says:

        Gentlemen, thanks for the insights.

        Reports of RMR screws not being long enough to properly seat in the MOS plates may be due to not having the correct MOS Plate. As you rightly pointed out, MOS is set up to run a variety of different optics (7 total) so they offer four different plates. The different plates allow for the optic to be mounted as if it was flush to the slide while allowing for the height differences for each optic. So for the Trijicon RMR, the correct plate is “#02”

        https://us.glock.com/mos/#versatility

        Also, Trijicon’s MOS Mounting Kit comes with screws at the correct length to properly mount the RMR to the MOS #02 mounting plate

        https://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product3.php?pid=AC32064

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